An Interview with Seiji Ogawa, the 'Japanese Obama'



Nod.

Nod, nod, nodding nodding nodding, nod.

Stop. No more nodding. His chin's on his chest. Asleep. My chance. Leave the TV on, it'll wake him up if I. Gently, gently, don't creak, good. Softly. Now the handle. Don't creak, d-o-o-n't. Good, good. Out.

My room. Lie down, it's in the drawer beside the bed, quick get it. About half way through where the page is dog-eared. Shhht. Take it out and get going you've been waiting all day haven't you. Clutching it now ready to

Fuck the door turning under, under under the bed now!

What? Whatareyou? Ah no! AH NOT AGAIN! At your age would you not have given it up? Ah for God's sake. Ah Screedeity for God's sake. Tom!? To-oom ?! TOM! HE'S BLOODY AT IT AGAIN”

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Yes! We Can Believe To The Change
An interview with Seiji Ogawa, the “Japanese Obama”.

Interview by Toshio Yoshida
Translated by Donald Keene

Golden spring sunlight pours through the window as I sit down in a quiet suburban teahouse to conduct the first ever interview with maverick LDP politician Seiji Ogawa. Mr.Ogawa's outspoken liberal views on such topics as immigration, the economy, and Japanese society, as well as rumours regarding his provenance, have led to him being dubbed the “Japanese Obama” - something hard to believe when I look at the meek, smiling face in front of me. Of course, the single greatest contributing factor to the Japanese Obama myth is 'That Rumour', namely that Ogawa's great-great-great-great-great grandfather may have been a Korean. To get it out of the way, I ask him about that first. “Completely without foundation.” Things go a little quiet. Outside the window three elderly dog walkers stand gathered in gossip. We begin our conversation again with some amicable smalltalk about the view in front of us.



Yoshida: It's a fine thing to see senior citizens enjoying their twilight years. And I have to comment on the excellent behaviour of their dogs. To me, it seems a true testament to the Japanese spirit that even people's dogs comport themselves with dignity and grace.

Ogawa: Oh, that's what you see? I'd have to disagree – explain yourself to me!

Yoshida: Well, now I feel as if I'm the one being interviewed! You certainly have a unique style Mr. Ogawa! Okay, here goes. You might notice that the dogs are standing in a perfect isosceles triangle. The first dog sniffs the anus of the second, the second dog sniffs the anus of the third, and the third, the anus of the first. Then, at precisely the same moment, they all about-face; now the first dog is sniffing the anus of the third, the third the anus of the second, and the second that of the first. Every dog has sniffed each of the other dog's anuses, all with a beautiful Euclidean economy of movement. Oh, I say, look at that! In a final gesture they all turn inwards and simultaneously sniff each other's noses! It really is a disciplined performance!

Ogawa: Well, on a superficial level, you have a point. I grant you that foreign dogs probably wouldn't have the wit to do it that way – instead they'd scrabble all over each other, snarling, with the biggest dog sniffing all the anuses and the smallest getting to sniff none. That's individualism, I suppose. But what about the act itself? Isn't it somewhat...degrading?

You know, that reminds me, I've even heard that in parts of Africa some people still greet one another that way! I have a story about that by the way which you might like to hear. At a benefit dinner a few months ago I actually had the pleasure of meeting Mr. Obama, though of course at that time he was merely the president-elect. We were seated together at the same table. Naturally I was aware of his ethnic background so, gritting my teeth, I thought I would stoop to make a gesture of inter-cultural friendship and rather than bowing or shaking hands, I got up from my chair, walked to his rear and, leaning low, took a sniff, fully expecting him to reciprocate. I have to tell you I was quite surprised to see him jump out of his seat, startled. We all know that, for a foreigner, the new president does a good job of keeping calm and composed; as evidence of the level of his shock, let me just say that a few choice exclamations escaped his mouth, words that I would have thought well below the leader of the free world. His handlers swarmed round me (me, a silver haired Japanese patrician!) and even had the gall to try and escort me out of the room, but thankfully Obama himself had enough sense to call them off. For a moment the idea flashed through my mind that I had been misinformed about African customs, but I was just as swiftly able to reassure myself. Was not the information given to me by none other than Mr. Asahiro Kobayashi, an alumnus of Tokyo University and CEO of a large and successful company, who plays an excellent round of golf to boot? Mr. Kobayashi's family is old and well respected, being able to trace their roots back several hundred years in Kyoto. Furthermore, several LDP ministers and even one former Prime Minister have been drawn from the Kobayashi clan. So it had to be Mr. Obama who's knowledge was at fault. To tell the truth, the dinner went rather awkwardly afterwards, with the president-elect barely concealing his eagerness to be on his way. I suppose he knows less about foreign customs than we might have been led to believe, despite all this fanfare over his mottled pedigree...but that's always the way with the American-Japanese relationship, they always fail to appreciate the lengths we go to to please them.

Now, where was I...ah yes, dogs, we were talking about dogs, well let me tell you, our original Japanese breeds – the Akita-ken, the Tosa, the Shiba-ken – they used to greet one another by delicately sniffing the tips of their curled tails. It was only with the introduction of foreign breeds with their vulgar tastes that dogs in Japan began to greet one another by thrusting their noses up each other's rear ends. I think it sums up the peril faced by Japanese culture in the face of gaudy, irresistible Western lifestyle quite well, actually. Why sniff a tail when you could sniff a saucy, stinky rectum? Why settle for the austere plainness of a ball of cold rice when you could chow down on a greasy, gratuitous cheeseburger? But where everyone is a rectum-sniffer, then you have to be one too – that's what globalisation means.

Yoshida: Wow, I'd never thought of it that way before! You know, that reminds me of the story so often told about the philosopher Nishida and the bee...

Ogawa: Ah yes, how did it go again...Nishida, lost in deep thought, accidentally came close to some bees who were gathering pollen in his garden. One of the bees flew up to his ear and buzzed to the great philospher, letting him know that he would have to sting him, and apologising in advance. Nishida told the bee that he would be stinging the planter of the flowers on whose pollen he and his hive relied. The bee, shocked, buzzed several apologies, cried out to the Emperor, and then stung itself in the face and died. Thus was the honour of the hive preserved. Of course bees in Japan have not behaved that way since the importation of more aggressive and undisciplined Western breeds during the Meiji era....I can understand why some people seem to think it is all part of some great conspiracy to destabilise the nation.

Yoshida: It's true, my father's hobby was maintaining an apiary, and Japanese bees really have become too individualistic these days. I have to say, it really is a privellege to be in the presence of such a refined man. And that leads me on to my next question: how do you respond to Prime Minister Aso's recent comments that Western nations caused the phenomenon known as global warming deliberately, in order to cause a negative impact on Japanese economic productivity? Some people say that you disagree with the Prime Minister, and that you are a liberal “loose cannon”.

Ogawa: Well, as I understand the Prime Minister's argument, and it's a technical one, global warming has caused the cherry trees to blossom on average five days earlier than previously. The effect of this is a twelve percent increase in the chance of the blossoms being at their height midweek, meaning that bosses have to hold company hanami picnics on a workday, which reduces productivity and competitiveness.

Yoshida: Not to mention the hangovers the next day which must cost the company even more...the Prime Minister makes a strong case!

Ogawa: Yes, quite. But I think where the Prime Minister goes wrong is in attributing that amount of forethought to foreigners. They just don't have it. Foreign Westerner malice is like the malice of wayward children, not the cunning of Heian Era court intrigue. I think if anyone's to blame, it's the Chinese. Besides, the global warming blossom crisis just provides an opportunity for some clever entrepreneur to do what I have been suggesting all along: produce retractable plastic cherry blossom trees that can be put up for hanami picnics whenever it best suits employers! Picnics could even be held in the office if it happened to be raining or if time conservation was an issue. This really embodies how innovation and tradition can go hand in hand in modern Japan. Furthermore, this would allow existing cherry blossoms to be felled, and the areas where they stood could be covered in top-quality Japanese cement on which the plastic trees could be erected at any time of year. Imagine how the sight of beautiful cherry blossoms all year round would boost tourism! So not only is it a convenient idea, it is also an opportunity to create jobs and stimulate the economy! Given the sheer number of the old-fashioned organic cherry blossoms in Japan and the number of opportunities that would be generated by their removal, I have placed this scheme at the centre of my economic stimulus package.

Yoshida: Listening to you now, you seem quite a traditional voice. Maybe you could explain for our readers why exactly it is you are called the Japanese Obama? Let's start with your foreign policy experience..

Ogawa: Well, many Japanese have quite limited experience of foreign travel – but not me! For my honeymoon, my wife and I visited Hawaii for five days...

Yoshida: I'm sorry! Five days? Five whole days?

Ogawa: Yes, it was rather extravagant! We almost forgot how to speak Japanese!

We both laugh heartily at this. When we have regained our composure, Mr. Ogawa continues his explanation:

Anyway, we spent five days there, and unlike many Japanese, who, when confronted by a wily foreigner asking, as a ruse, for example, for directions (always a prelude to robbery or rape), step backwards meekly bobbing like a woodpecker, smiling and apologising until they crash into whatever is behind them, I took the Americans on at their own game. One big fat man approached my wife “asking for directions” – I could tell he had his eye on her, they just love our women and unfortunately women, so weak-willed...

Yoshida: Oh I know...you know they call them “Yellow Cabs”?

Ogawa: Monstrous! Anyway, he had his eye on her and he said (speaks English) “Whea izu beechu?” or something like that. Imagine, brazenly demanding my wife and calling her, what is it, a “bitch”, to my face like that! Anyway, I pushed Michiko behind me and hit at the man twice with a folded up brochure for our hotel, shouting “Stop! Stop! Help!” in our national language, which is quite widely understood in Hawaii. Luckily the man received a paper cut near his eye as a result of one of my blows, incapacitating him, and a policeman came to my aid. Imagine, the scoundrel claimed to have been looking for the beach!

Yoshida: It really beggars belief! And I understand your adventure in Hawaii is not your only experience of international relations?

Ogawa: You are quite right. I visited Hokkaido recently and went to the northernmost tip, the town of Wakanai, from where, on a sunny day, you can just about see “Sakhalin”, as our Russian neighbours refer to that disputed territory.

Yoshida: You saw Sakhalin... and lived?

Ogawa: No. Thankfully on that day it was obscured by a haze, but I caught the stink of the Russian Bear on the wind nonetheless. It chilled me to my bones. Since that day I have determined that I must enter office to protect the people of Hokkaido from further encroachment at the hands of Putin and his lackey Medvedev, even if it means the destruction of the island itself. Practically speaking, I have already pushed to have Russian sailors barred from hot springs, restaurants, and other such establishments, a move which I believe sends a clear message to Russia about its increasingly aggressive foreign policy. Even more radically, I have even made preliminary arrangements for the contingency of a nuclear strike by North Korea. In such a situation, our nation will be nuclear bombed pre-emptively by our own JSDF forces in order to preserve national dignity and bring glory to the Emperor through his people's loving sacrifice.

However, not everything is doom and gloom when it comes to international relations. A few years ago when I went to Guam...

Yoshida: Guam! Guam! You've been to Hawaii and Guam!

Ogawa: Yes, I know, quite the Marco Polo. Anyway, it was in Guam that I first really laid eyes on a foreign woman. You see the hula dancers there don't wear very much – just grass skirts and little leafy tiaras, plus bras of course – and as I was watching her I realised that, anatomically at least, there really are not that many differences to, for example, my wife. In fact in some ways I found her preferable to my wife, who has aged somewhat since the birth of our daughter, so much so that I volunteered to help her get down off the stage, and while doing so orchestrated a little “accidental contact” between my hand and her buttock!

We both stop to laugh at Mr. Ogawa's daring-do. After a while, he continues, his eyes twinkling:

Ogawa: So anyway, if they are physically similar to us, that means that they can do similar physical tasks to us, and maybe we can even do certain things together, in a spirit of co-operation.

Yoshida: Sir, what kind of things?

Ogawa: Ha, ha. You journalists do love pretending to be naive, don't you? Well, let me tell you about my grandfather. Now he was quite an adventurer. In the heady days of the Greater East Asia Co-prosperity Sphere, when our nation, under the guidance of the Emperor, was attempting to liberate East Asia from the influence of the Western colonial powers, my father did quite a bit of traveling with the army, and how would you say it, sowed his wild oats all round the Pacific? He was a very popular man indeed with the ladies, and has even joked on television that 30 percent of the current population of Manila and 46 percent of the current population of Nanjing, not to mention the entire populations of various smaller towns and villages, may well be his direct descendants! So popular was he in fact that when he returned to Japan as a result of an injury in 1943 to resume the running of the family's munitions factory and pig-iron works, thousands of eager volunteers from Korea, China and elsewhere flocked back with him to help him run the factory, all without any question of payment!

Yoshida: That really shows the spirit of internationalisation and true globalisation that was possible under the Emperor System!

Ogawa: Well, if they hadn't cheated with those bombs, if they'd had a bit more honour, who can say where we'd be today? Anyway, there's no point crying over spilt milk, as you know. What you might be glad to know is that I have revived some of my father's initiatives.

Yoshida: Really? How so?

Ogawa: Well, in my private life, I found myself more and more drawn to foreign hostess bars when out wining and dining other party members and powerful businessmen. And I found that some of these women were willing to co-operate with me on my research concerning interracial physiological compatibility, for a price of course, a price that only a well-positioned gentleman like myself could consider paying. Ah, the perks of office. Anyway, I tasted many different coloured fruits, exotic fruits, starting with a fine blonde Russian, Slutskaya, who positively towered over me and for whom I developed a lingering affection, even compelling one of my subordinates to marry her for me so that she might procure permanent residency, and I can say that we Japanese are, at least in a physical respect, compatible with all of them, not just Asians. Of course, Japanese men are often worried that they won't “measure up” to the kinds of men these women have had before, but let me tell you that though it may be small, the Japanese erection is famous the world over for its almost diamond-like hardness!

Yoshida: I see! Did you even do it with a....

Ogawa: Yes, with a black woman.

Yoshida: I never would have imagined they have the same parts! How was it?

Ogawa: Ha, ha, wouldn't you like to know! Roomy!

Both of us laugh uproariously at Mr. Ogawa's joke. When we finally settle down, I pursue the subject.

Yoshida: But surely, Sir, you haven't just put your grandfather's discoveries into practice in the personal sphere? How about for the benefit of the Japanese public?

Ogawa: Of course my research was undertaken with the good of the Japanese public in mind. Well, as you know, the Japanese economy is struggling at the moment as a result of the aging population, and the science of robotics has not yet advanced enough to compensate for this demographic decline by filling menial jobs with androids, although some progress has been made in the area of teaching. So we may have to resort to immigration.

Yoshida: But.....Japanese culture!?

Ogawa: I know, I know, it worries me too. But, as I told you, their (the foreigner's) bodies are similar to ours – they can do the same physical work! It's a simple matter for a company to keep its foreigners contained, and that is all that is required to prevent the seeds of disorder from being sown. It's just the same as keeping the infectious sick in quarantine, or keeping nuclear matter safely locked up within a well maintained reactor. This paradigm has existed in Japan before – remember the Treaty Port system? You think it can't be done today?

Look at my company, Ogawa Fruits Taste. Everyone knows Japanese people are short, and now that more and more of them are old too, they make pretty lousy fruit pickers. That's where foreigners come in. At Ogawa Fruits Taste, we use the finest Nubians and Swedes to pluck the upper most fruits, a range of shorter peoples for the middle branches, and pygmies and young children for fallen fruits. Stretching and stooping time is reduced, leading to higher productivity, not to mention the savings made on wages! During sleeping hours, that is from one a.m to half past four a.m, we keep all workers in a secure and comfortable capsule-barracks, recently converted from a chicken battery. The capsules are auto-locking, to guard not just against rampages, but also unauthorised menstruation, micturation, defecation and fornication during sleeping hours (permits are required for these activities, the fornication permit in particular requiring the passing of a preliminary physical trial with our qualified Japanese overseers, while excretions must be gathered for processing as fertiliser). When the workers have completed their contracts, we simply remove the capsules and stack them in the holds of a privately owned cargo ship, which takes them to Brazil, from where the survivors are released to find their own way home, wherever that might be.

Yoshida: But, foreign workers....don't they eat the fruit?

Ogawa: You'd be surprised how easy it is to modify a canine muzzle to fit a human face. Those intended for bulldogs or mastiffs are particularly suitable.

Yoshida: But how do you find these people?

Ogawa: Well, the Third-Worlders will come as Third-Worlders do, and you wouldn't believe the number of manga fans who are drawn from more prosperous nations, willing to do anything at any price as long as it is in Japan, which they rightly recognise as, how would they put it, the promised land. Manga...it's the ultimate propaganda! You'd almost think these fools expected to find women with eyes the size of saucers and tits like melons fawning on them the instant they alighted at Narita!

Yoshida: That really is remarkable! It's great to know that foreigners have realised the rewards of a little sacrifice at last! And that leads me on to my next question. It has been rumoured that your daughter and one of your Nubian workers have been seen together..

Ogawa: Ha, ha, ha, well my daughter is very fond of this “Hip Hop” music that all the young people listen to these days, he must be instructing her in these black dances, now if I could just say a word about..

Yoshida: And is it true that she is incubating her own little Obama?

Ogawa: Now really, that's a bit...if she is pregnant, no doubt the child is her uncle's, they are very close.

Yoshida: But your daughter herself says..

Ogawa (After a series of constipated sputters, shouts): You never! Never! Never!

Mr. Ogawa's face trembles, suspended somewhere between rage, shame and half a dozen other emotions. His eyes stare into mine and I am aware that I have stepped over a line, that if I push him any more, he will be forced to take his own life. As if following the command of some noble race-memory, his hand moves to the side of his belt where, in ages past, his katana would have hung. But this is the ignoble twenty-first century – all he finds is a belt-loop, in which his thumb becomes ensnared, adding to his humiliation. I am almost heartbroken by this display of fine Japanese spirit, so at odds with modernity, something I had feared extinct in this age of spiritual desolation. On the verge of tears, I fall to the foot of Mr. Ogawa's chair, and burying my face in the carpet, proceed to let loose a torrent of incoherent apologies at the top of my voice, even offering to take my own life. He gets up from his seat. “That won't be necessary,” he says. It is a gesture of utter contempt, contempt well deserved. On my knees, tears streaming down my cheeks, I watch this fine man depart through the swing doors. All the staff of the hotel are looking at me, shaking their heads. How can I go on living now?

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Not till I'm finished. Not till I'm done. No.
I'm here, what is it? Oh Janey Mack. Janey Mack.”
Tom, get it out of his hand will you, he's in some sort of frenzy.”
I'm trying Mary he has a vice like grip on it.”
Prize his fingers open.”
It's only shameful!”
No, no I'm not finished. It's only natural.”
Writing my eye. Now will you stop this codology and drop the pen and do something useful with yourself!”